The Spooky Science of Real Estate Investing

by Dave Peniuk

Have you ever walked into a building, house, or even the forest and got shivers down your spine? You know what I mean, where your skin crawls and you just feel like something bad happened here. Consciously you aren’t aware of anything bad happening where you are – but somehow you just feel it.

This happened to Julie, my Mom, and myself last week while viewing a property. We had already walked thru 8 other properties that day. Most of them were standard homes without much of a “vibe”. They were just average houses with average decorations, floorplans, and lots. Some were much uglier than others, and some definitely needed more work than others, but most of them were just houses.

But on that particular day a couple of houses gave us really distinct feelings.

The first house gave us such a wonderful feeling. Julie is still talking about how great she felt in that home and when she describes it she lights up and smiles a big wide smile. It was a cute little home that had been occupied by the same couple for 54 years. When you walked in there you just felt the happy memories. The memories of raising children and hosting grandchildren in that home. Nobody was there when we were there yet you could almost hear laughter.  It looked like a lot of happy memories had been made there with family photos every where and you know what? It felt like happy memories had been made there too.

A few houses later we approached the final house on our tour and even as we pulled up to the drive way Julie immediately said she didn’t like the feeling of the home.

It’s not that it looked scary from the outside – it is just how Julie began to feel.

I looked at the backyard and felt “uneasy” about it. Why? I couldn’t tell you. It wasn’t particularly dark or spooky looking, just a backyard with some grass, dirt, and trees.

Julie and my Mom actually opted to walk around the back yard first – which is unusual as we always do that last. But Julie and my Mom both were not really wanting to go in the home. My Mom said she felt her spine tingling and just was uneasy.

I went in with our Realtor and had this feeling “whoosh” over me …. a bad bad feeling. When Julie and my Mom walked in they felt it so strongly they only looked at the dining room and the kitchen and left.

We tried to laugh and joke about the cheery and hilarious kitchen linoleum – which in a different house would have made us smile and tell jokes about the 70′s – but we couldn’t. The bad almost evil feeling remained. My Mom and Julie went right back out the door and after roaming around the upstairs for about 45 seconds, the realtor and I decided to leave as well. We didn’t bother going downstairs to the bottom floor (well, I peaked my head downstairs and proceeded to get even more creeped out), we just headed outside and quickly walked back to our car.

So – you may be asking “what happened there?” Well, I wish I knew…or maybe I don’t…but we haven’t found out IF in fact there ever was anything wrong with the house or even if any known evil things had occured there. But it doesn’t matter, because we certainly won’t be buying the property….at any price. And that is what brings me to the point of this article…it’s the spooky science of real estate investing.

We have spoken before that while you should keep your emotions out of real estate investing, we have also commented on going with your “gut”. And our guts were telling us to get out of that house. This is why it is so important for you to get out and view and FEEL the house. Sure, it may sound corny, but when you view as many houses as we do, you start to get a sense for the “good” houses vs. the “bad” houses. Thankfully, 95% of the houses we see are average or even give us a good vibe, but every once in awhile we come across one of the bad ones. Could we buy it? Sure, the numbers were good on it, it was in our chosen, preferred sub-market and I am sure we could eventually place tenants in it. But why? If all three of us had a bad vibe, why wouldn’t our prospective tenants?

Before you start making offers on houses, get out there and check them out.
If you get an unexplainable feeling as you approach or walk through the house, and it’s not a good feeling, just walk away. I have seen enough scary movies to know that if you buy it, you may just find yourself calling the local exorcist to get those demons out! And really, who wants to deal with all of that anyway?

How To Identify An Emerging Area for Investment

by Dave Peniuk

What a weekend. As you read this, my Dad and I have set sail out of Port Hardy, BC to catch some Salmon. This was unplanned on my part. As Julie and I were about to leave for Nanaimo Saturday morning to look at a dozen or so potential houses and go for a nice long mountain bike ride on the Abyss, I checked my voicemail and there was a message from my Mom saying my Dad is catching a ton of Salmon and wants my help. The test sets for this week are over double what the test sets for the week before were and lastweek was a lot for him to handle. This is really great news for my Dad as previous years have been lousy and he barely made any money on Salmon at all. An abundance of Salmon is great but there’s only so much one man on a boat can do  (By the way – my Dad is a commercial fisherman in case you hadn’t figured that out).

So I threw some things in a bag and set off to Nanaimo to look at houses and then head up to Port Hardy with my Dad.

We ended up looking at 11 potential properties on Saturday. There is a tremendous amount of over priced garbage on the market but we did find a few interesting properties. Julie will put in at least two offers while I am away – maybe three depending on how the first two go.

I hope she has some success because in the last month or so we’ve struggled to put a deal together. A lot of sellers are having a hard time coming to grips with what their house is really worth.

I was going to continue to contact potential private lenders and joint venture partners on a daily basis this week but that will have to wait until I’m back from Salmon fishing. But I spoke to a lot of people this past week and I continue to be surprised by the number of folks that have no idea that they could be making 10% or more by lending out their RRSP’s as a mortgage on a property!! Even my own sister didn’t know. I guess she hasn’t been paying attention to my rants these days!

Most people have their money sitting in under performing mutual funds where the already rich bank and their adviser is making money while they are barely holding on to their initial investment. They have no  idea that they could be making a guaranteed 11% like we’re paying for a second mortgage to pay for the tree that is growing from our basement.

But I digress. I have to get going as Dad already has the truck packed and is basically just waiting for me. But before I left Julie wanted me to  share another video from our 31 Real Estate Investing Video Tips series. I filmed this video awhile ago. You can tell it was filmed many months ago because my hair is much much longer now. I haven’t felt like getting a hair cut in awhile and now I am actually kind  of liking this look.

Either way – I think you’ll get a few good tips from this video on how to identify an emerging market for real estate investment. Enjoy!

p.s. This is what my hair looks like now and what Julie looked like in a yellow bridesmaid dress at the wedding we went to in Toronto at the end of July. She wasn’t too excited to wear the dress but I thought she looked great.

p.p.s. Not sure when I will be back. I could be fishing all week if Dad needs me. I look forward to responding to your blog comments then.

p.p.p.s I didn’t really type this up so if doesn’t sound like something I wrote it’s because I basically told Julie what to say and she typed it up while I was running around in a flurry of activity to head out the door.

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Pushing the Private Money Buttons

by Julie Broad

We just received the LONG OVERDUE quote on the cost to excavate that pesky tree that has grown up through our basement and out the window of our Toronto tri-plex and I have to say that I am crapping my pants (And not in a good way Ms. Steph Davis). The quote came in at $20,000. This does not, as far as we can tell, include the cost of a new window or the other important things like a new wall and fixed flooring that would once again make that room habitable for our tenants. Yes … the words that come to mind are not for this family show.

So … let’s not dwell on that … instead let’s move on to talking about how we’ll probably pay for this mess … I’d love to tell you that we have a giant bank account full of cash that we’ll just use to cover the cost but the reality is that every time we end up with a big chunk of change we invest it in a new property. We like to send our money out into the world to make more money. It’s why all our tenants have larger TV’s than we do … but that is a topic for another day.

We’re going to pay for this disaster with private money. Specifically in this case we’re going to use the RRSP funds of some folks who have contacted us with a desire to invest in mortgages using their self directed RRSP’s (you can do this with your self directed IRA’s too my American friends).

Rather than refinance the property or get a loan from the bank we’ll use the RRSP funds as a second mortgage to get the money we need. We’re also redoing a big section of the roof as it’s begun to leak. And that will be approximately $7,000 assuming everything goes smoothly. Happy happy joy joy!

All I keep thinking is:

  • Thank goodness these vendors take VISA because at least we will get Aeroplan points to fly somewhere wonderfully warm and relaxing in the winter
  • And, look at the tax write offs we’re going to have this year!!

WOO HOO to private money.  Not only can we make the repairs with this money but our Private Money Lenders make a great return on their money….and because this particular property is a great cashflowing property, it easily covers the 11% we’re paying to our Lenders. It’s a win-win for everyone.

I hope that most of you can use your private funds to get new deals and not repair the ones you’ve already got, I know you’re likely to eventually need some money so I thought I would share an excerpt from the September 2010 Canadian Real Estate Magazine article that I wrote on getting private money for your deals. If you’re in Canada please do check out the full article because I tried to pack it full of tips to help you out. For now … here’s an excerpt:

Finding Private Money for Your Deals

Quick – you need to get $10,000. What do you do? Many folks will either turn to their parents to borrow the money or they will head to their local bank for a loan. Eventually the bank of Mom and Dad grows tired of financing their child’s exploits (or runs dry!) and the local bank determines that you don’t fit their ideal client checklist. Now what?

And what if you need $200,000 to finance the majority of the purchase and the bank isn’t working with you?

For us, as financing has become increasingly difficult to find from the conventional sources, private money has become the answer.

And thankfully – we’ve become friends with Patrick Riddle – the best teacher we’ve found on the subject of finding Private Money – so we’ve been working on mastering the art of attracting private money for our deals.

Private money is simply money from an individual (instead of a bank or credit union). It’s different than hard money. Hard money lenders finance deals for real estate investors as a business. They are more sophisticated in their investment terms and will typically seek quick repayment at high interest rates. With private money you can have more control over the terms of the loan. You can offer terms that suit your needs and offer a good return for your private lender.

The easiest way to find private money is to call your favourite mortgage broker and ask if they have any private lenders. Most mortgage brokers work with a few wealthy folks that have money to lend or they will refer you to a mortgage broker with private money connections. If you have decent credit and the property generates a solid cash flow you should be able to find money this way, but that money is expensive.

We prefer to find friends, family or fellow real estate investors that might have money to invest. And to do that we follow a pretty simple process for finding private money.

First, understand that you’re NOT asking people for money. You are presenting an excellent opportunity for the right person to make a great return on their investment backed by a cash flowing asset.

If you are uncomfortable with the idea of presenting an opportunity, start out instead by asking people for their opinion of the real estate investment opportunity. People love to give their opinion so that will disarm them and help you be more comfortable with the conversation.

Second, make a list of the folks you can speak with. If this is your first time talking to others about making money with real estate, start by making a list of people you know. Focus on:

  • People who know, like, and trust you.
  • People who know a good deal when they see one.

Notice what is NOT on this list? Nowhere on the list of criteria is the assumption that they have the money to get involved in one of your deals.

Here’s the biggest piece of advice I can offer you: Never assume you know someone’s financial situation.

In our culture, we don’t openly discuss our financial situation with many people. Often people you think should have a lot of cash kicking around for investment don’t have much at all. They spend every penny on ‘doo dah’ that makes it look like they are wealthy but in reality they are actually living pay cheque to pay cheque. Even more important to know is that someone that you may disqualify from your list may be sitting on a pile of cash.

Third, make the call to set up a time to get a coffee or buy them lunch. Yes, when we call up a friend we haven’t seen in five years and ask them to have coffee sometimes we hear “Alright, what are you selling?” It happens. Get over it. Most of the time it’s fun reconnecting with folks you haven’t stayed in close contact with.

Fourth, prepare and present. Spend time catching up. Ask about mutual acquaintances, family and what they are doing. That will give you time to relax and get into the groove. Once they start asking about you then flow into the conversation about the opportunity you have available. You want to be prepared for this, but you probably don’t want to whip out a formal presentation to run them through. If you’re presenting a specific deal at that time, review the loan specifics (including annual return, time frame, payment schedule, and options for early repayment or extension) and confirm that your lender wants to get started. Presenting to potential private lenders is where our pal Patrick Riddle is a true master.

(NOTE: If you want to check out his latest program on private money and watch a video on how he found 36 private lenders in less than half an hour you can check that out right here. To this day we continue to study what he teaches carefully as we refine and perfect what we’re doing.)

Once you’ve secured the private lender, the hardest part for most people is over. If you remember you’re presenting an opportunity – one that is a much better fit for most people’s investment objectives than any mutual fund in the world – and you stop prequalifying people before you talk with them, the process of finding private money lenders gets so much easier.

The best part for you is that you can help your friends, family and fellow real estate professionals grow their wealth while you’re growing yours. Does it get any better than that?

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Another Reason to Keep the Emotion out of Real Estate Investing

by Julie Broad

Ok … so I started writing this post Saturday morning but our nieces arrived for their overnight visit and I had to shut it down! We proceeded to have a great day at the beach, eating fish and having a ton of fun!!

Anyway -  all I wanted to do was share a quick story with an important lesson in it for you. I will skip a ton of details because we’ve seen so many houses and made so many offers lately that it would take me forever to update you on everything.

But first, I should tell you that we closed on another home for our rent to own program on Thursday last week. YEAH!!!

I will talk more about that home another day, but this story pertains to a home that is in the same area as the one we bought and did the little reno on in May of this year. It’s priced a little high at $319,000 but we figured we could negotiate it down to the price that works for us. We put in an offer on Friday morning and then went off to family reunion in Victoria.

Just before dinner while we’re all sitting around Beacon Hill Park watching the little ones chase the ducks around the realtor calls and says “they countered at $315,000 and wanted to know if you’re flexible on your closing dates because they might make an offer on a house tonight and they don’t know how that will work out.”

We had offered $297,000 and didn’t have a whole lot of room to move to make the deal work for us so you can see we’re quite a distance apart still. I told our realtor that we can move up to about $302,000 but that is pretty much our best price. That  said, I told him that we’re completely flexible on dates. Have them let us know what will work and we can probably make that work for us.

He hung up and said we’d probably hear more tomorrow.

Two hours later, when we’re just about to say good bye to my family for the evening, he calls back and says “The other realtor called me and said that he wanted us to know that someone else just looked at the home and they are really excited. They are going to put in an offer this evening and it sounds like it will be strong.”

Years ago this would have got my competitive juices flowing. And if I wanted this home to live in I probably would have said “FINE – pay $315,000″ just to make sure I “won” the deal. I would have felt the emotion creep in.

But, we’ve been doing this for so long now that I just smiled and said ” Ok Steve – wish them the best. We don’t get involved in multiple bidding situations.”

Steve, our realtor, expected this answer and said that he was just relaying the message. I thanked him and hung up.

We said good bye to our family and headed to Salt Spring Island so we could get a good night’s sleep before our nieces arrived for a visit.

9:30am the next morning Steve calls and says he had an early message from the other realtor saying they would come down to $313,000.

I laughed “So the other offer didn’t work out then hey?”

I confirmed what I had already said and that is that my best price is $302,000.

That’s where this story pauses as I don’t know how it will all play out just yet. The market is not moving right now but I think the main reason is that sellers haven’t adjusted their expectations to match the slower market. When that happens several of the offers we’ve made in the last few weeks have a very good chance of coming back our  way – including this one.

But here is my point – sometimes it’s easy to believe you’re in control of your emotions but trust me – once you start making offers and get into the thick of a deal it can be hard to keep your cool and remember the numbers that work for you. If we had let our emotions get the best of us, we would have been over paying for this house by about $10,000. That might not seem like much – and it’s not if we were going to live there – but as a real estate investor $10,000 will change my risk and return profile completely. That’s why it is so important to always have a maximum price you are willing to pay BEFORE starting your offers. And, always keep in mind that most Sellers need to sell more than you need to buy!

Not to mention – I think this deal is not done just yet …

Have a fabulous week everyone!

What Makes a Good Investment Market?

by Dave Peniuk

Today Julie and I are hosting four hours of one on one calls with our 12 Months to $1 Million club members. Each member had the opportunity to book a 20 minute one on one call with either Julie or myself. It’s going to be a crazy afternoon and evening as we talk to so many different people … but as I prepare for the calls I have I am finding that quite a few of the folks have the same questions.

One question that several different members asked is “How do I choose a market to invest in?

We’ve talked about this before in our newsletters and in an article where we shared a Real Estate Market Research Checklist but there is one big thing that you have to find in a market to ensure it’s going to be one with plenty of tenants to rent to and plenty of willing and able buyers to sell your home to in the future.

In this short video from our 31 Real Estate Investing Video Tips series I explain:

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